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Post by fluffychook on Aug 26, 2009 14:11:57 GMT 8
Wow Brendon, I am so glad that it is nothing more sinister than lack of minerals. There was a thread on BYP about this I will see if I can find it.
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Post by fluffychook on Aug 26, 2009 14:13:22 GMT 8
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Post by Duck Diva on Aug 27, 2009 7:32:00 GMT 8
So pleased theyve got to the bottom of it for you Brendon. Maybe you can start rebuilding your flock sooner than expected. Are you going to contact the people who had already done tests on the chooks so they may know for next time these symptoms present?
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Post by annieyokie on Aug 27, 2009 7:34:31 GMT 8
:-/The main deficiencies were in Selenium ,copper and other minerals an b12 these lead to a weakening of the heart .When the heart is weak and stressed the smallest stress can set of a silent heart attack or heart failure ,It can also open the heart up to be susceptible to parasites (not easily killed with Parasite mixs.) I went to the Stock-food place yesterday to see what is available for animals .I found a product for parrots with all the minerals and B12 .Its B.V.M. probiotic Cost me $12.50 for a kg .It looks like a good product .I tried to find out if selenium is in mineral licks but no one new .If anyone out there dose know Id like to know. Seleniun and mineral defeciency is common ,it oftern affects cows and other livestock .As our soils are depleated in many minerals the defficencys are passed down the food chain.WE see it in people all the time .Vitamins are much easier to get out of our foods. I give our ckooks 1tbs Liquid collodial minerals (people stuff ) in there water.
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Post by annieyokie on Aug 27, 2009 7:47:02 GMT 8
;)Didn't see peck- a - block there was another one I saw Mineral block that is a pecking block but I'm not sure that it has selenium in it but it looked OK .Its hard to find out what is in these products and if there is a deficiency Selenium ,copper ,magnesium Molybdenum Colbat and zinc are essential.
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Post by Sam W on Aug 27, 2009 8:01:59 GMT 8
hey on our farm we feed our cattle minerals but not in a block its like a damp powder minerals i cant recall the name but i once gave sum 2 my chook's and the only way i could get them 2 eat it was to mix it in with there food but they still didn't seem to like it .
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Post by annieyokie on Aug 27, 2009 8:40:36 GMT 8
:)I would love to know what it is called .If its for cattle there is a very good chance it got selenium etc .Cattle have major problems with Selenium and copper deficiencies .Not being in the animal industry I have no Idea what is available .If it was a person Id know ./I am told however that there are better products available for animals than people .
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Post by fluffychook on Aug 27, 2009 9:25:40 GMT 8
Do a google search on cattle mineral blocks and you will see quite a few. The Prominavite has selenium in it.
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Post by annieyokie on Aug 27, 2009 9:34:11 GMT 8
:DThanks Fluffchook .Ill do that now Im in the office
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Post by Cluck N Waddle on Aug 27, 2009 10:00:07 GMT 8
Very interesting. So glad that you've got to the bottom of the problem Brendon On the mineral blocks, having horses, we buy the mineral blocks for horses (cant remember what brand). I'm pretty sure that I've got a couple of the plastic packets still sitting in the feed shed so could have a look at the ingredients if you're interested annieyokie.
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Post by annieyokie on Aug 27, 2009 10:31:57 GMT 8
That would be fantastic ,I love to know . Annie
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Post by Cluck N Waddle on Aug 27, 2009 20:36:46 GMT 8
annieyokie, I forgot to grab a packet from the feed shed this evening but did remember the brand is Barastoc so of course I googled it and found their website with the block info: Key Features: Supplies protein and minerals to help overcome deficiencies. Protein comes from vegetable sources only (no urea). Convenient block form - easy to use Low wastage Suitable for all classes of horses Feeding Directions: Provide one block for up to 25 head and replace as necessary. (One block will normally last 5 horses about 4 weeks). Usual intake: 80 to 150 grams per head per day. Analysis (As-Fed) Total Crude Protein and Equivalent Crude Protein (minimum) 11.0% Equivalent Crude Protein (minimum) NIL Crude Protein (minimum) 11.0% Urea NIL Salt (maximum) 15.0% Crude Fat (minimum) 0.5% Crude Fibre (maximum) 10.0% Calcium (minimum) 5.0% Phosphorus (minimum) 2.0% Sulphur (minimum) 1.0% Zinc (added) 200mg/kg Copper (added) 120mg/kg Cobalt (added) 12mg/kg Iodine (added) 12mg/kg Selenium (added) 1.0mg/kg Fluorine (maximum) 0.1% The trace mineral analysis listed above are only those amounts added. Total feed values may be higher. Full analysis available on request.
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Post by luv4ducks on Aug 28, 2009 12:39:24 GMT 8
I bought a cattle block yesterday from the feed store, it's for all types of grazing livestock (sheep, goats etc) I doesn't mention whether it's safe for horses or not, and none of them know whether it would be safe for chooks. I did notice that it has urea in it? ******EDIT****** I've just been told by David Grays, who id the manufacturer of that block that the urea content might be too high, they recommend another product called Mineral + Protein I'm getting a ingredients list faxed to me at the moment so I'll upload it shortly
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Post by luv4ducks on Aug 28, 2009 13:28:38 GMT 8
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Post by annieyokie on Aug 28, 2009 14:00:05 GMT 8
Hi ,Brendon Looks pretty good to me ,hope it helps them .Have you got the homeopathics I sent? Thanks Chuck N Waddle for posting that. Heres to Healthy healthy chooks
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